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Extreme Ownership
Jocko Willink and Leif Babin
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Extreme Ownership
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A few things come to mind along with what's already been mentioned: Assorted Non-Book Readings: - https://randsinrepose.com/dont-skip-this/ - http://www.stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks - https://sysadvent.blogspot.com/2019/12/day-21-being-kind-to-... (https://sysadvent.blogspot.com/2019/12/day-21-being-kind-to-3am-you.html) - https://donellameadows.org/archives/leverage-points-places-t... (https://donellameadows.org/archives/leverage-points-places-to-intervene-in-a-system/) - https://grugbrain.dev/ - https://changelog.com/posts/rich-hickeys-greatest-hits - https://github.com/papers-we-love/papers-we-love/blob/master... (https://github.com/papers-we-love/papers-we-love/blob/master/design/out-of-the-tar-pit.pdf) - http://www.cs.unc.edu/techreports/86-020.pdf Books: - The Phoenix Project: Gene Kim, Kevin Behr, George Spafford - Deep Work: Cal Newport - The Art of Leadership: Michael Lopp (Rands) - Extreme Ownership: Jocko Willink and Leif Babin (once you get through the ho-rah stuff it's a fantastic read) - Time Management for System Administrators: O'Reilly (fantastic for interrupt driven work) - Elements of Clojure: Zachary Tellman (not just for Clojure devs)
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Disclaimer: I have no military experience. Your points on the lessons he mention are very valid. The particular part of the book that matched your description of "this might not work for non SEALs" was when Jocko described how he took full responsibility for a near friendly fire incident. He goes on to say that he earned a lot of respect for being the type of leader that would take accountability. He points out, IIRC, that this respect was gained from both the enlisted men and the officers. I remember reading that passage and thinking "I've been in plenty of orgs where if someone did that, sure, the 'enlisted' aka line employees might respect that but the 'officers' aka middle managers would immediately think: 'Ah ha! Here is some noble minded fool we can dump our problems on!' " I'm exaggerating somewhat but only to reinforce the point that I think the book is excellent and agree with you that the lessons taught don't ALWAYS apply.
Extreme ownership is a great book with lots of sound advice. However, I don't find the approach flawless at all. These guys had the benefit of being leaders in an organization that is set up to rapidly show you the door if you under-perform. Furthermore, everyone that's on a SEAL team desperately wants to be there. To some extent, extreme ownership falls apart in a regular, non-combat focused military unit and also in many civilian organizations. If you're a Soldier, the military's authority is an illusion. Don't assume that my next statement means that punishment is my first tool for attempting to remedy under-performance, but at some point with some people it becomes necessary. In those extreme cases, even that's not effective because of the way the military operates. Half of the punishments for being lazy/ineffective at your job only work if you voluntarily participate in being a part of the military. Examples: exercise as punishment only works when people choose to exercise. Putting people on punitive details like picking cigarettes up and raking lines in sand for 12 hours a day only work if the people voluntarily do the work. Some people don't show up at all and some only show…
Good Night Moon - 187 times The Cat In The Hat - 200 times The Very Hungry Caterpillar - 85 times But seriously, im on my third re-read of Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink and Leif Babin, In my opinion its the best book about leadership ever written.
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Musashi - This is the classic Samurai novel. The lessons about life and finding my path shaped me probably more than any book I've ever read. Extreme Ownership - As I have advanced in my career, it became clear that leadership and communication are the keys to success. EO (and related books by the same author) provides so many varied benefits, but the largest for me was to detach, check my ego, and control my emotions. Thinking in this manner has literally changed every relationship I have for the better.
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"Extreme Ownership" by Jocko Willink and Leif Babin. I highly recommend the audiobook, it is narrated by the authors and is very engaging. Some of the comments in this thread say that military orders and life and death situations don't apply in the business world. But that isn't what this book is about, the advice is really the opposite of giving orders the must be followed without question. And the lessons are explained in ways that clearly relate to business management.
Extreme Ownership by Jocko Willink & Leif Babin This book is about the lessons learned on leadership by two Navy Seal Officers and how they are applied in business. It learned me to take ownership on what is happening, always work together, keep it simple, focus on a single priority, and give ownership. Turn the ship around! by L. David Marquet This book tells the story of a submarine captain that turns his subordinates into leaders and his submarine goes on becoming the best submarine in the US Navy. It learned me to move authority to information, train competence, and the power of clear communication. You can find more good books at https://www.norberhuis.nl/books/
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Everything by Simon Sinek, but most important for me is "Leaders Eat Last" [0]. I haven't read the last one (The Infinite Game), but I've heard it's pretty good as well. Also Extreme Ownership [1] and Dichotomy of Leadership [2] by Jocko Willink and Leif Babin. All of these books had tremendous impact on me as a leader and I highly recommend them. [0]: https://www.amazon.com/Leaders-Eat-Last-Together-Others/dp/B... (https://www.amazon.com/Leaders-Eat-Last-Together-Others/dp/B00HQ3K34M/) [1]: https://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Ownership-U-S-Navy-SEALs-eboo... (https://www.amazon.com/Extreme-Ownership-U-S-Navy-SEALs-ebook/dp/B00VE4Y0Z2) [2]: https://www.amazon.com/Dichotomy-Leadership-Balancing-Challe... (https://www.amazon.com/Dichotomy-Leadership-Balancing-Challenges-Ownership/dp/B07BN5NGQ5/)
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Extreme Ownership is an excellent book on the topic (or so peoole tell me, I started reading it today actually).
Never Split the Difference by Chris Voss, it taugh me very important negotiation skills that I use everyday. Extreme Ownership by Willink and Babin has taught me about good leadership.
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Extreme Ownership - Jocko/Babin Dichotomy of Leadership - Jocko/Babin Every Little Step: My Story - Bobby Brown The Art and Science of Respect - J. Prince
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Freakonomics - good “everything you know is wrong” Promote yourself - meh “just become an influencer and pick a new job” Extreme Ownership - good “navy seal war story -> leadership principle -> business application” x12 Rise - good “wow I have an easy life” Drive - good “some people like doing stuff just because” The Accounting Game - good “money explained to a kid to make you feel vetter about not understanding money”
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Extreme Ownership by Joko Wilink Team of teams by Gen. Stan McChrystal Both of these are required reading for understanding how humans work together.
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